Bishop Thuc Recites the Novus Ordo Until February 1982
Fr. Noel Barbara Fortes in Fide: With the authorization of the conciliar bishop of Toulon, Thuc had a confessional allotted to him in the conciliar bishop's cathedral, and until the beginning of 1982 Thuc served daily at the new masses celebrated in this same cathedral… From Francois Egregyi, The Thuc-ite Bishops and Their Followers: Late in life, in 1982, he did make a declaration (dated 25 February and first published in the German periodical Einsicht) that the Holy See was vacant. This declaration was very short and in very bad Latin, and, furthermore, in it Thuc carried on speaking of the Conciliar Church as the Catholic Church, and even said that the Church was in a flourish condition at that time (1982). And at about the same time he concelebrated the Novus ordo on Maundy Thursday with the Conciliary Bishop of Frejus-Toulon (France), where he was residing, and obtained faculties from this bishop to hear confessions in the local cathedral.Sodalitium, What Are We to Think About Archbishoip Ngo-Dinh Thuc : For the followers of Lefebvre, the Bishop of Econe is “the Bishop,” and the “only faithful Bishop.” But when one examines him closely, it becomes clear that along with his merits, certain defects were present. And these are precisely those defects which one criticizes others for having. His views on the Ordinary and Universal Magisterium were heretical (cf. Vatican, de Fide, Denz 1792). He agreed to ordain a monk with the new (post Conciliar) rites “in order toa void scandal”; he actively participated in the “novus ordo” mass; he signed all but two of the documents of Vatican II (as opposed to Archbishop Thuc who signed none of them), and one could provide yet more examples such as Confirmations entrusted to priests whose ordinations were “invalid,” the brutal expelling of Deacons from his seminaries when they raised objections to his stand regarding the Papacy, and imprudent ordinations of individuals who were not worthy of the high dignity of the Priesthood.Dr. Rama Coomeraswamy circa 1990: Perhaps the most scandalous was the fact that after consecrating Guerard des Lauriers (May 7, 1981), he sought jurisdiction for hearing confessions (of Vietnamese refugees at the Cathedral) from the Bishop of Toulouse, and that on Holy Thursday (April 2, 1982) he concelebrated the novus ordo rite with him. He was strongly criticized for this by Bishop Carmona of Mexico, and he wrote to the bishops accepting the criticism ad stated that “he hoped the good Lord would judge him less severely (than Bishop Carmona), for he had made a mistake in good faith.” Dr. Rama Coomeraswamy, February 27, 1994 The Mental Health of Archbishop Thuc: The Archbishop is accused of scandal. I know of no priest today who is not guilty of scandal – the very nature of the current controversry is, to say theleast, scandalous, and those with any sensus Catholicus left are more than weary of it. There are, of course, different degrees of severity with regard to scandal, and I for one refuse to engage in any debate as to which individual is guilty of the greater offenses. However, while on this issue, let two things be quite clear:1.Scandal, regardless of degree, does not and never has invalidated a sacrament. As Pohle Pruess state, the these that “The validity of a sacrament does not depend on the personal worthiness of the minister,” is a proposition that “embodies an article of faith.”2.For every scandalous act that Archbishop Ngo-Dinh Thuc is accused of, I can match an equally serious scandal on the part of Archbishop Lefebvre – including that of celebrating the Novus Ordo rite and performing inappropriate ordinations. In fact, some of the theological opinions officially embraced by him and by his Society go well beyond the realm of scandal. Michael Fighting
"Michael…who standeth for…thy people," — Dan. 12:1-12
