1981 Thuc Consecrations
Testimony of Clarence Kelly, citing Donald Sanborn and William Jenkins as witnesses: Yet Dr. Hiller and Dr. Heller did not do so, and hence they could not testify that the correct matter and form had been used. “Some said without any foundation that our consecrations have been invalid because we were consecrated with the new rite; ... .” (Letter of Moises Carmona published throughout the world.)These first four witnesses, especially the last who was one of those consecrated, establishes that the New Rite of Ordination was used. Further Fr. Aldolpho Zamora also wrote a letter later on, querying whether or not he was really a bishop. Des Lauriers was to take his thory on the Papacy with him to his consecration as bishop by Bishop Peter Martin Ngo-Dihn Thuc, who he had met previously at Econe. Since des Lauriers had not written a condemnation of the New Rite of Ordination similar to the Ottaviani Intervention, one must presume he had no objection to this rite. This is especially true, since it has been reported that Lefebvre used the New Rite on one occasion, and des Lauriers would have participate as a professor at Econe. Francois Egregyi, The Thuc-ite Bishops and Their Followers : As far as the bishops consecrated by Thuc and his “descendants” are concerned, however, not only is it certain that their Consecrations are illegal, but there is also a question mark – at least a small amount of doubt – over the validity of their Consecrations. This is because Guerard des Lauriers himself acknowledged that Thuc had made changes in the ritual of Consecration, omitting several parts. The passages acknowledged to have been omitted are not essential to validity, and one cannot therefore be certain that the Consecration was invalid; but once one is aware that someone changes the ritual of the sacraments, one can never be sure exactly what he is getting up to, nor what may have happened at other Consecrations of which no records are available. Who is Msgr. Pierre Ngo-Dihn Thuc? by Father P. Cornelia Byman (The Angelus, April 1983, Volume VI, Number 4): Why such a curious self-criticism, that only could be valid with an affidavit of a physician? It shows that he thinks the opposite beforehand. This is the reason why, in Europe, where Msgr. Thuc is better known, there exists some doubt concerning the validity of those ordinations and consecrations. Validity depends on the mental responsibility of the consecrating bishop.Some may object that the myriad of evidence proving validity has been omitted. (Search is provided so one can refer to that, if they wish.) However, what has been provided proves that the New Rite of Ordination was used. Even if one can cast doubt on the evidence, this is the most that can be done. So it ia established as a probable opinion that Bishop Pete Martin Ngo-Dihn Thuc used the invalid New Rite of Ordination in the consecrations of Des Lauriers, Carmona and Zamora. Therefore the best that can be proven in favor of validity is a probable opinion. However, the Church forbids the use of probable opinions in the validity of teh Sacraments, therefore these consecrations must be treated as if they were invalid, until the contrary is proven in the court of the Roman Pontif.Michael Fighting
"Michael…who standeth for…thy people," — Dan. 12:1-12
